Tuesday, October 4, 2011

Worth Posting!

A personal friend of mine responded to a comment...First, the comment and then what my friend offered. I have left off the names

THE COMMENT

"The law and grace are TOTAL OPPOSITES! You don't know the scriptures to make a statement like that.
Ephesians 2: 8-9 For by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of Yahweh: NOT OF WORKS (of the law), lest any man should boast."


THE RESPONSE

We know where you're coming from, because we, or probably most of us, were all raised in the same belief system, Torah bad! Grace good! We could all agree on some basics and then perhaps come closer to an understanding: 1) When we talk about keeping Torah, it's for sanctification, not salvation. Salvation is only by faith, and has only ever been by faith, as Paul explains concerning Abraham, who was saved by faith before Torah, also Gal. 2.21 and Eph. 2.8-9 as you say. Lying to someone, etc., won't send me to hell, but it will hurt the relationship between me and that person and me and God. 
 It's the opposite of sanctification. And it causes concern over what type of tree I am based on my fruit, Matthew 7.13-23. 2) When Yeshua fulfilled Torah, that's a Hebrew idiom meaning that he perfected it, not that he ended it. Romans 10.4 says that Christ is the end of the Law (Torah), and that word is telos, the perfect ideal. This is self-evident. For example, did Yeshua honor His parents? Yes? Then we don't have to honor our parents because Yeshua fulfilled Torah? Often those critical of keeping Torah say something like, "If you add anything to faith you're breaking the Gospel!" 
 But then 2 Peter 1.5 says to add to your faith! 3) There are laws we can't keep now, because the Temple does not exist, reference your remark concerning sacrificing for a new child. But to edit Torah otherwise and say that we don't have to keep this or that command, falls squarely under Matthew 5.19 as XXXX pointed out (unless you're a Dispensationalist who thinks that most of what Yeshua said doesn't even apply now). 4) 
 Do you think the Feasts, Sacrifices, and Shabbats are gone for good? 
 Check out end-time prophecies Isaiah 66.23, Zechariah 14.16-19, and also Ezekiel chapters 40-46 about the millennial Temple, when sacrifices and feasts return. Unlike most Christians I know after being in the Church for 50 years, it's encouraging to see that you know that the New Covenant is Torah written on the heart in addition to grace, Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8. But the dualistic idea that it's OK to break Torah physically as long as we keep it spiritually is foreign to the Bible. That's a Greek mindset, not a Hebrew one. Hebrews 11, by faith they DID things, not just THOUGHT about them.

 I recommend this set of DVD'S for those wanting to understand this post better
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If I may add my two cents: I am of the belief that TORAH, YAHWEH'S WORD, INSTRUCTION, STATUTES & LAW is what was contained in the breath of life that caused the dirt to sit, stand and walk

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